[Stoves] Is the Stoves list functioning again? RE: New You Tube video. Fuel efficient biomass stoves and retained heat cooking

Mon Feb 21 21:23:37 CST 2022

Paul, 

The stoves list is still active with 943 subscribers. We don't know how many
are "live". Only a few have posted in recent months including Andrew,
Crispin, Ron, Kevin, Rogerio, Stephen Joseph etc. Some, like Chalrie, have
just been quiet.  You posted in October and December 2021. 

We have considered migrating the list to the Groups.io server where we host
Biochar which we migrated from Yahoo. . There are advantages, including a
smart phone app, but we would like to preserve the archives and we don't
know if that is possible yet. 

Tom 

Stoves Owner

From: Stoves <mailman-bounces at bio.bioenergylists.org> On Behalf Of Anderson,
Paul
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 5:58 PM
To: Patricia Mcardle <solarwind1 at me.com>; stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org;
stoves-owner at lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: Is the Stoves list functioning again? RE: New You Tube video. Fuel
efficient biomass stoves and retained heat cooking

Patricia and ALL,

I am in favor of Retained  Heat Cookers.    But I write here about the
STOVES LIST SERVE.    This is the FIRST message I have received in over 2
years.    Why did it come through?   (Note that Patricia sent to TWO
addresses, and we do not know yet which one worked.)

Now we will  see if MY message reaches anyone?   Kirk, Dean, Tom, Christa,
Ron, Crispin, Dave, and all the others.   Please reply so I / we know what
has reached you.

I would love to seen the Stove listserv functional again!!!!

Paul

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:
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Inventor of RoCC kilns and author of Biochar white paper :  See
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Author of "A Capitalist Carol" (free digital copies at
<http://www.capitalism21.org/> www.capitalism21.org)

         with pages 88 - 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
cookstoves. 

From: Patricia Mcardle <solarwind1 at me.com <mailto:solarwind1 at me.com> > 
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 11:56 AM
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Subject: New You Tube video. Fuel efficient biomass stoves and retained heat
cooking

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Dear Stovers:

You are invited to watch my latest You Tube video
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erved=0>  (10 minutes) which explains how to reduce cooking time and save
significant amounts of fuel by using a home-made retained heat basket to
finish cooking pots of food that have been brought to a rolling boil for
twenty minutes over a fire.   

In this video, I've included a photo of the late, great Larry Winiarski
teaching a group of Mexican women how to make retained heat baskets. I took
that photo in 2008 when Larry and I were in Mexico together on a Rotary
project.  During that trip, I filmed my very first and still most popular
You Tube video
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ved=0> . It shows Larry teaching the women how to make a 16-brick rocket
stove. The last time I checked 725,572 people had watched that video. 

I hope you'll share both videos with your colleagues.  

Back in 2001, Dean Still inspired me with something he posted on the
stovers' list serve:  "In a perfect world, perhaps with a great,
non-polluting wood stove, would come a retained heat cooker (Haybox), a
solar oven for baking and a parabolic or conical reflector for boiling
water...Whole package might cost $100 which is dinner and a movie for some
folks."  

A few years ago, a crusty old U.S. Marine friend of mine in California, made
a similar point about "integrated cooking
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d=0> " with a slightly different twist:  "If you give my neighbor a pile of
wood and a fuel efficient biomass stove-and, you give me the same amount of
wood and the same biomass stove, but I also have a solar cooker and a
retained heat container, guess who'll run out of wood first?" 

An integrated cooking system is certainly more sustainable for the rural
poor than the subsidized LPG that the late
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&reserved=0>  Kirk Smith aggressively promoted with his mantra to "make the
clean (LPG) available instead of "making the available (wood) clean".  It's
disheartening to see the former GACC (now the CCA) aggressively promoting
LPG
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PkISpah5eDXU7JmKha8rPcQkTueZUJNm7AhXU%3D&reserved=0>  in the developing
world, but I guess that's where the money is.

I remember back in January 2011, at the DOE-sponsored Biomass Stoves
Technical meeting many of us attended, when I was asked by Sam Baldwin to
refrain from even mentioning the words "solar cooking" during the two-day
meeting. 

I complied with his request, but when one of the speakers proposed adding a
'simmer' function to the stoves, I raised my hand and suggested that it
might be more cost effective to teach people how to make and use retained
heat baskets rather than trying to engineer a 'simmer' function that would
eventually break.  My suggestion was also shot down.  

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