[Stoves] ***SPAM*** RE: Is the Stoves list functioning again? RE: New You Tube video. Fuel efficient biomass stoves and retained heat cooking

[Anderson, Paul]

Tom,

I could post, but I could not receive.   The message from Patricia and now the one from you are the first incoming messages to reach me.

As Patrica just now wrote, she decided to send to the TWO addresses.   Which one is reaching  me, I do not know.   Because it is a receiving problem for me, could you a test message A and B version via the  two addresses?   Then I can let you know what is reaching me now.

We would like to hear from some others about what they are receiving (or not).

I would like to see the Stoves discussion group be with the same service that the Biochar group has, if that is reasonable.

Paul

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         with pages 88 - 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.

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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 9:24 PM
To: Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu>; 'Patricia Mcardle' <solarwind1 at me.com>; stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org; stoves-owner at lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: RE: Is the Stoves list functioning again? RE: New You Tube video. Fuel efficient biomass stoves and retained heat cooking

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Paul,

The stoves list is still active with 943 subscribers. We don't know how many are "live". Only a few have posted in recent months including Andrew, Crispin, Ron, Kevin, Rogerio, Stephen Joseph etc. Some, like Chalrie, have just been quiet.  You posted in October and December 2021.

We have considered migrating the list to the Groups.io server where we host Biochar which we migrated from Yahoo. . There are advantages, including a smart phone app, but we would like to preserve the archives and we don't know if that is possible yet.

Tom
Stoves Owner

From: Stoves <mailman-bounces at bio.bioenergylists.org<mailto:mailman-bounces at bio.bioenergylists.org>> On Behalf Of Anderson, Paul
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 5:58 PM
To: Patricia Mcardle <solarwind1 at me.com<mailto:solarwind1 at me.com>>; stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org<mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>; stoves-owner at lists.bioenergylists.org<mailto:stoves-owner at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Is the Stoves list functioning again? RE: New You Tube video. Fuel efficient biomass stoves and retained heat cooking

Patricia and ALL,

I am in favor of Retained  Heat Cookers.    But I write here about the STOVES LIST SERVE.    This is the FIRST message I have received in over 2 years.    Why did it come through?   (Note that Patricia sent to TWO addresses, and we do not know yet which one worked.)

Now we will  see if MY message reaches anyone?   Kirk, Dean, Tom, Christa, Ron, Crispin, Dave, and all the others.   Please reply so I / we know what has reached you.

I would love to seen the Stove listserv functional again!!!!

Paul


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         with pages 88 - 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.

From: Patricia Mcardle <solarwind1 at me.com<mailto:solarwind1 at me.com>>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 11:56 AM
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Subject: New You Tube video. Fuel efficient biomass stoves and retained heat cooking

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Dear Stovers:

You are invited to watch my latest You Tube video<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzHdO_HaSqtQ&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9e02557d05574af135d608d9f5b2bd18%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810970299395123%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=y36kUjA8uCbxhl4B4flqidLPpAGCAgcxgpStxs9nptU%3D&reserved=0> (10 minutes) which explains how to reduce cooking time and save significant amounts of fuel by using a home-made retained heat basket to finish cooking pots of food that have been brought to a rolling boil for twenty minutes over a fire.

In this video, I've included a photo of the late, great Larry Winiarski teaching a group of Mexican women how to make retained heat baskets. I took that photo in 2008 when Larry and I were in Mexico together on a Rotary project.  During that trip, I filmed my very first and still most popular You Tube video<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXSMR2ANIZ7E&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9e02557d05574af135d608d9f5b2bd18%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810970299395123%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=kegaT4O3DBWcINKY1x1%2Fly5nTzaqPs7yELLJRD5PyjI%3D&reserved=0>. It shows Larry teaching the women how to make a 16-brick rocket stove. The last time I checked 725,572 people had watched that video.

I hope you'll share both videos with your colleagues.

Back in 2001, Dean Still inspired me with something he posted on the stovers' list serve:  "In a perfect world, perhaps with a great, non-polluting wood stove, would come a retained heat cooker (Haybox), a solar oven for baking and a parabolic or conical reflector for boiling water...Whole package might cost $100 which is dinner and a movie for some folks."

A few years ago, a crusty old U.S. Marine friend of mine in California, made a similar point about "integrated cooking<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.appropedia.org%2FIntegrated_cooking&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9e02557d05574af135d608d9f5b2bd18%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810970299395123%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=D0Q7NtKOoY9UUktlcZCBXefCo3dZgktNYFjDPS5JUgE%3D&reserved=0>" with a slightly different twist:  "If you give my neighbor a pile of wood and a fuel efficient biomass stove-and, you give me the same amount of wood and the same biomass stove, but I also have a solar cooker and a retained heat container, guess who'll run out of wood first?"

An integrated cooking system is certainly more sustainable for the rural poor than the subsidized LPG that the late Kirk Smith aggressively promoted<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVMJcx47hsPc&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9e02557d05574af135d608d9f5b2bd18%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810970299395123%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=yF9z4Utr7rjptljI%2BN%2B8tlpJepxagulzZM%2FnXboqGds%3D&reserved=0> with his mantra to "make the clean (LPG) available instead of "making the available (wood) clean".  It's disheartening to see the former GACC (now the CCA) aggressively promoting LPG<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcleancooking.org%2Freports-and-tools%2Fscaling-lpg-for-cooking-in-developing-markets%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9e02557d05574af135d608d9f5b2bd18%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810970299395123%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3YJ2%2Fga1UY6Ud8RsGSMD3Ajxm6c4T8hRLV8ypZajuRk%3D&reserved=0> in the developing world, but I guess that's where the money is.

I remember back in January 2011, at the DOE-sponsored Biomass Stoves Technical meeting many of us attended, when I was asked by Sam Baldwin to refrain from even mentioning the words "solar cooking" during the two-day meeting.

I complied with his request, but when one of the speakers proposed adding a 'simmer' function to the stoves, I raised my hand and suggested that it might be more cost effective to teach people how to make and use retained heat baskets rather than trying to engineer a 'simmer' function that would eventually break.  My suggestion was also shot down.


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