[Stoves] Stoves for Ukraine?

Thu Mar 17 12:14:30 CDT 2022

The cooking hole is probably not the best of the options suggested in this
thread.  Nonetheless, I had the training video translated to Ukrainian.  Here
it is on YouTube <https://youtu.be/PkcUsub2v8w>.  Perhaps a few displaced
Ukrainians will find it useful.

(I tried attaching the video but my email bounced back because the video is
too big.)

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 5:12 PM K McLean <kmclean56 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> The cooking hole is probably not the best of the options suggested in this
> thread.  Nonetheless, I've had the training video translated to
> Ukrainian, attached.  Here it is on YouTube <https://youtu.be/PkcUsub2v8w>.
> Perhaps a few displaced Ukrainians will find it useful.
>
> Kevin
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 2:50 PM Harris, Kirk <gkharris316 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Dr. Adam,
>>
>> Thank you for your questions.
>>
>> The air moves upward through the stove, as in other stoves, since the hot
>> gasses inside are less dense and lighter in weight then the surrounding
>> air.  This makes the flame gas buoyant in the atmosphere and so it is
>> buoyed upward by the heavier air.
>>
>> It can use pellets, found wood, or any suitable dry biomass that is
>> porous enough to allow the gasses to pass upward and dense enough to give
>> some good cook time.  When backpacking I use found sticks arranged
>> vertically in the fuel chamber.  I pack them into the stove until I can
>> shake the stove and it just stops rattling.  This is compact enough to give
>> a good cooking time, and loose enough to let the gasses pass.  The fuel
>> cannot cover the secondary air holes.
>>
>> There is no double wall, only the single tin can.  It was designed to be
>> simple, cheap to build, and light weight to not be a burden to carry on my
>> back while backpacking.  The single wall design is not as efficient as the
>> double wall design, but it works.  The secondary air is still preheated
>> since the hot tin can heats the surrounding air which then rises to enter
>> the secondary air holes.  There are commercial stoves which are more
>> efficient, if you want to pay to buy  and transport them.  For a situation
>> like Ukraine, with so much need, a simple and easily made stove from
>> readily available materials might be better.
>>
>> There are lots of hobo type stoves on the internet, but they really smoke
>> and have to be constantly watched and fed with fuel.  This TLUD burns
>> cleaner and needs no attention while cooking.  It is a nice balance between
>> more efficient stoves and hobo stoves.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Kirk H.
>> On 3/14/2022 1:44 AM, dr.adam wrote:
>>
>> hmm,
>> Question: How comes the air through the primary air holes upwards?
>>
>> 1) It is used with *pellets *only and the air will pass through/between
>> the pellets ??
>> 2) There is some space, *double wall* between pellets and outer wall
>> which is not shown on the drawing  ??
>> Thanks
>> Chris ADAM
>>
>> On Monday, 14 March 2022, 10:59:19 GMT+3, Harris, Kirk
>> <gkharris316 at comcast.net> <gkharris316 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> This stove was designed for backpacking, and would work for such a
>> situation.  It has been on this list before.  It is cheap, portable, and
>> easy to make using a single food can.  It works well and is easy on fuel
>> use.
>>
>> Kirk H.
>>
>> On 3/12/2022 9:32 AM, Ronal Larson wrote:
>>
>> Paul and list, cc Kevin
>>
>> 	I suggest Kevin’s recent promotion of a small hole in the middle of a traditional 3-stone fire.  Stacking is non-standard and importan.
>>
>> 	The resulting char should be especially helpful in the fields.
>>
>> 	Better than zero cost.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Paul Arveson <paularveson at gmail.com> <paularveson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am getting requests from Rotary clubs and other charities for stove designs appropriate for Ukrainians -- for both cooking and space heating.  I wonder if you could suggest suitable products and/or designs that I could share.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul Arveson
>> Solar Household Energy, Inc.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Stoves mailing list
>>
>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email addressstoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web pagehttp://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Stoves mailing list
>>
>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email addressstoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web pagehttp://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free.
>> www.avg.com
>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>
>> <#m_2331864249322072151_m_131150949597960115_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Stoves mailing list
>>
>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
>> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
>>
>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Stoves mailing list
>>
>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
>> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
>>
>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/
>>
>>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20220317/ac5f1a7f/attachment.html>