[Stoves] ***SPAM*** Re: Stoves Digest, Vol 147, Issue 5
Tony Blake
afbss at me.com
Sun Nov 13 00:35:53 CST 2022
Crispin, where possible I have responded to your comments.
Is there a hole in the middle of the tree? Sometimes?
Whether there is a hole in the middle I do not know as I have not seen a clear cross-section of a dead or green coconut palm trunk. Palm trunks I have seen have been green and there is no centre hole. As they dry a hole may develop but I don’t know.
Is it soft in the centre?
Again as for how soft the centre is I do not know. Even if they are not the wood is fibrous enough to allow for a partial hole to be made. I am thinking the whole thing is fibrous enough to not need a whole all the way through and air would flow OK.
What I understand about the "candle" is that the wood has to be really dry. True?
Yes, really dry. The Sweedish Candles sold in Australia seem almost kiln dried. Not sure if they are imported, but if they were they would be kiln heat treated to allow them to be imported to comply with BioSecurity regulations.
Next, is a palm trunk dry? Is it a sponge?
The split trunks I saw were very dry. Old and sun-dried. A green palm seems spongey, but the split wood was just dry and fibrous. Many of the dead coconut palms I saw had been struck by lightening. I guess they could be dry but I can’t imagine all of them had been hit.
Is it suitable for creating the vertical cuts of the candle using a bush knife? Maybe the cuts could be vee-shaped.
Not sure there is a need for this. The texture reminds me of the old cigarette commercials showing burning tobacco inside the cigarette paper. Maybe an SSM jet flame underneath could be good??
All the ones I have seen were cut with a chainsaw.
The best thing would be to have a chainsaw cut. In the area where I was there were chainsaws cutting up other hard wood, good building timber and twisted gnarly trees, so slicing up a coconut palm would be pretty easy.
Maybe someone on the list has some clearer answers to your questions or better still able to give it a try. I will see if I can get through to someone in Haku for them to give it a try. The biggest issue I see is getting air in underneath. They are not great at cleaning out fireplaces.
Regards,
Tony Blake
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> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 at 08:34
> Subject: Cooking Bands
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> Hi Everyone,
> I have recently come back from Haku on Buka Island in Bougainville and
> missed the 24 of October message regarding the steel bands. No
> internet or phone service. In Haku we found the most versatile
> firewood to be dead coconut palm. Very suited to the rocket stove we
> tested if split. However, if a log was cut from the trunk, a full
> slice of about 100mm maybe up to 200mm it might work like a Swedish
> log candle. Probably not needing a hole punched all the way down. It
> is quite fibrous and if sitting on a trivet or something to get the
> air underneath I think the air would flow through. Lit from the top in
> the middle it might burn quite well. Has anyone on the list tried this
> out or could they? Unfortunately in Brisbane, Australia I don?t have
> access to coconut trunks.
> This could be a solution for their smokey traditional fires that burn
> a mix of timber grade wood, coconut husks and bush sticks. The latter
> including mango wood and other pretty useless wood.
> Thanks.
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> Regards,
> Tony Blake
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> Dear Tony
>
> Is there a hole in the middle of the tree? Sometimes?
>
> Is it soft in the centre?
>
> What I understand about the "candle" is that the wood has to be really dry. True?
>
> Next, is a palm trunk dry? Is it a sponge?
>
> Is it suitable for creating the vertical cuts of the candle using a bush knife? Maybe the cuts could be vee-shaped.
>
> All the ones I have seen were cut with a chainsaw.
>
> Thanks
> Crispin
>
>
> Tony Blake <afbss at me.com<mailto:afbss at me.com>>
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 at 08:34
> Subject: Cooking Bands
> To: <stoves-owner at lists.bioenergylists.org<mailto:stoves-owner at lists.bioenergylists.org>>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I have recently come back from Haku on Buka Island in Bougainville and
> missed the 24 of October message regarding the steel bands. No
> internet or phone service. In Haku we found the most versatile
> firewood to be dead coconut palm. Very suited to the rocket stove we
> tested if split. However, if a log was cut from the trunk, a full
> slice of about 100mm maybe up to 200mm it might work like a Swedish
> log candle. Probably not needing a hole punched all the way down. It
> is quite fibrous and if sitting on a trivet or something to get the
> air underneath I think the air would flow through. Lit from the top in
> the middle it might burn quite well. Has anyone on the list tried this
> out or could they? Unfortunately in Brisbane, Australia I don?t have
> access to coconut trunks.
> This could be a solution for their smokey traditional fires that burn
> a mix of timber grade wood, coconut husks and bush sticks. The latter
> including mango wood and other pretty useless wood.
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Tony Blake
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