[Gasification] No time for beer in Munich- there's a real live imbert gasifier here

Sun Oct 31 14:04:28 CDT 2010

arnt, here's page i found online about the imbert ford truck in the
deutsches museum.  this is from an enthusiasts group of vehicles produced at
the ford cologne factory- pre, during and post wwII.  ford has a very large
history in germany.  they were 50% of the truck market in the late 30s.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.fomcc.de/v8_51.htm&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhg8BFWubmlOoQaSugS1IG1qXeB6iA

this page has a picture of the truck, showing the paint burned off the
bottom of the holzvergaser, and good info on the german ford truck
production history.

there is also a interesting page on imbert's life story on the same site.
it fills in a bit on why he was in germany, and how he got into gasification
in general.  see here:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.fomcc.de/imbert.htm&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhiA-DwTfSVuXeggDJoPxGpPSQy61A

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Arnt Karlsen <arnt at c2i.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:01:30 -0700, jim wrote in message
> <AANLkTin=r4kWhoJRNmZ2PVPSEcDt9-yTd_teRGpFONG8 at mail.gmail.com>:
>
> > i'm still in munich and still enjoying the deutsches museum.  i asked
> > for permission to inspect the internals of the imbert gasifier on the
> > adler and was, shockingly, granted an "ok" to do so.  i spent three
> > hours digging around in it yesterday, taking pictures of all
> > internals, measuring details for cad drawings, and taking char
> > samples.  i was rather wonderful, in a somewhat disturbingly geeky
> > way.
>
> ..aye, a silly happy sooty grin on all pictures
> is the price you pay for such jackpots. ;o)
>
> > after closer inspection, i need to somewhat retract the statement
> > that the ancients had nothing on us "moderns".  there were some
> > unusual and unexpected things in the imbert.  things i've never
> > realized from the drawings and the reports.  nothing game changing,
> > but some of the details and integrations between internal reactor
> > components was more mature than we've realized.  i'm going to need to
> > write this up in a series of reports, going component by component.
> > in the interim, here's a portrait of the researcher at work . . .
> >
> > http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages
> >
> > also, there turned out to be another vehicle with an imbert gasifier
>
> ..what year are these 2 gasifiers, or rather,
> when where they last serviced or modified?
>
> > in the vehicle part of the museum.  this one was a ford truck with
> > behind cab unit.  same basic architecture and components, but some
> > significant differences in execution.
> >
> > i didn't get to spelunk the ford gasifier.  i only got to dig through
> > the one on the adler.  but fortunately i got to dig all i wanted.
> > the musuem staff was excited that someone actually cared about this.
> > the docents wanted to learn lots of details of why and how, as they
> > gives tours of this machine regularly.
> >
> > reports will start soon.
> >
> > jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Mark Ludlow <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks, Rolf!
> > >
> > > Very useful insight and perspective. Things are often much more
> > > than they seem. (Every picture tells a story!)
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> > > [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Rolf Uhle
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 11:19 AM
> > > To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> > > Subject: Re: [Gasification] No time for beer in Munich- there's a
> > > real live imbert gasifier here
> > >
> > > Hallo Jim,
> > > nice to know you enjoyed the GM just like I did both times I
> > > visited it - must
> > > be 30 + years ago.
> > > The beer is good, too, but we also had good stuff at Zellingen.
> > >
> > > "just basic steel and surprisingly mediocore welding. it was funny
> > > to see so many of the same problems and needs solved on the imbert
> > > in the same hack manner many of us still do with a welder and a
> > > hammer. i saw little lost knowledge to rediscover. i saw lots of
> > > expedience, simplicity, and band aids."
> > >
> > > |||Those were hard times, self earned of course. People I talked to
> > > who had lived that time told me everything good was reserved for
> > > military production,
> > > civil items were welded together by any means, gas mostly or with
> > > crap electrodes and by those workers ( very often unskilled women
> > > and compulsary labour) the war could spare.
> > > And god knows how often they fixed broken weldings after a unlit
> > > night drive
> > >
> > > over badly worn roads full of potholes. My parents told me amazing
> > > stories about improvising and survival.
> > > Plain sheet steel was everything they had, anything noble went into
> > > weapons.
> > > With the same effort in civil achievements, Hitler would have won
> > > any war without fighting one...
> > >
> > > If you ever have a chance to see the Verkehrsmuseum Luzern (CH) ,
> > > go. It is smaller than the DM but really woth your while.
> > >
> > > I went to the Valladolid Biomass Energy Show and showed some
> > > pictures of the
> > >
> > > PP around. Great response!
> > > We would have triumphed !
> > > Next year perhaps...
> > > Rolf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Am Donnerstag, 28. Oktober 2010 03:43:25 schrieb jim mason:
> > > > just basic steel and surprisingly mediocore welding. it was funny
> > > > to see so many of the same problems and needs solved on the
> > > > imbert in the same hack manner many of us still do with a welder
> > > > and a hammer. i saw little lost knowledge to rediscover. i saw
> > > > lots of expedience, simplicity, and band aids.
> > >
> > >
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