[Gasification] SPAM: Re: Small Scale Industrial Gasifiers

Paul Anderson psanders at ilstu.edu
Tue Apr 18 13:57:22 CDT 2017


Tom M. and Tom T., and all,

What arer the sizes (kWe) (or some other measurement??) of these 
units?   Big difference if discussing 5 kWe or 25 or 100 or larger. My 
interest is in sizes under 25 kWe.

Paul

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On 4/18/2017 11:16 AM, l wrote:
> It seems that these systems are all the same and have very limited 
> input range, complex control systems, no produced water removal and 
> treatment system where water vapor eats the engine parts from 
> formation of organic and other acids and lowers volumetric efficiency 
> from dilution of the produced gas. There are significant improvements 
> that go beyond these options and allow for much longer life of the 
> engine, highe r output per unit, less drying required and not 
> necessary for pelleting.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
> Thermogenics Inc.
> +001-505-463-8422
> www.thermogenicx.com
> Skype: ltt.invent
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Murphy <djfmurphy at dodo.com.au>
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification 
> <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 18, 2017 8:53 am
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] SPAM: Re: Small Scale Industrial Gasifiers
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> Nicolo,
>
> please stop sending me emails to other people.
>
> David Murphy.
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> On 18/04/2017 5:04 PM, Nicolò Cerni wrote:
>
>     you are welcome Tom,
>
>     only 4 manufacturers offer certified syngas with low tars ( < than
>     4 mgr/nM3 )
>     and only very few can process anything else other than strictly
>     selected wood chips
>     here is one we are proud to represent
>
>     www.pyrogas-gmbh.de <http://www.pyrogas-gmbh.de>
>
>     The package units you refer to as Spanner had a GM 5,7 motor for
>     years that required
>     complete replacement  after 3/4 years, now they use a new USA Made
>      CHP engine called Origin
>     probably a labelled OEM Product we cannot  trace.
>
>     our organic biomass gasifier AHT can process different wood waste
>     types and organic matters
>     such as chicken manure
>
>     regards
>
>     NC
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>     2017-04-18 0:26 GMT+02:00 Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com
>     <mailto:tmiles at trmiles.com>>:
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>         Thanks, Nicolo. It’s good to know about you.
>         I didn’t know there were that many manufacturers in Europe.
>         Tom
>         *From:*Gasification
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>         Behalf Of *Nicolò Cerni
>         *Sent:* Monday, April 17, 2017 3:08 PM
>         *To:* Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
>         <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
>         <mailto:gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>>
>         *Subject:* SPAM: Re: [Gasification] Small Scale Industrial
>         Gasifiers
>         Hello
>         please see our versions
>         at www.altair-pyro.com <http://www.altair-pyro.com>
>         new addresses here below
>         we are shipping to you our sales docs
>         our prices are adjusted to local markets Levelized costs of
>         energy
>         they range from 3.200 to 4.600 Euros x 1 Kwe installed Cogen
>         set power
>         we know all of the gasifiers you mentioned ( Volter is a
>         Spanner user )
>         we have another 12 manufacturers in Europe
>         regards
>         NC
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>         2017-04-17 23:31 GMT+02:00 Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com
>         <mailto:tmiles at trmiles.com>>:
>
>             At a wood energy conference in Alaska last week it
>             occurred to me that the number of small scale “industrial”
>             gasifiers is growing. They are now available worldwide and
>             there are many reports of good customer service. Gasifiers
>             that were only available in Europe are now being installed
>             in North America.
>             Wood chip and pellet gasifiers in the 40-125 kWe range are
>             now running 7000 hours or more.
>             Some suppliers:
>             Spanner <http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/> – 600 units
>             Volter <http://volter.fi/> – 100 units
>             Holzenergie <http://www.holzenergie-wegscheid.de/?lang=EN>
>             – 60 units
>             Burkhardt
>             <http://burkhardt-energy.com/hp604/Wood-Gasifier-V-3-90.htm>
>             – 100+ (wood pellets)
>             These units all have tight fuel requirements: pellets
>             (Burkhardt) or dry (13-15% MC), and properly sized fuel
>             for reliable operation. Some suppliers offer sizing and
>             drying equipment.
>             They are all expensive so they require applications where
>             there is high value for the heat and the power.
>             What has been the owner-operator experience of running
>             these systems?
>             Tom
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