[Stoves] [biochar] allAfrica.com: Africa: Biochar - Unfulfilled Promises in Cameroon

Tue Dec 27 23:28:14 CST 2011

Yury and several lists 

See a few comments below in your response from last night to me. 

Ron 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com> 
To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:06:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar] allAfrica.com: Africa: Biochar - Unfulfilled Promises in Cameroon 

Yury, 

This stoves discussion group is for cooking stoves for developing countries, which is why were are interested in your charcoal kilns and stoves. The biochar discussions are at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biochar/ 

We have hosted the stoves discussion since 1996. Most of the several hundred people on this list are involved in developing cooking stoves or building and installing improved cook stoves in developing countries. Participants on this list have installed hundreds of thousands of stoves. We are experienced in gasification, combustion and rural and urban development. Collectively this year participants have probably installed more than 800,000 cook stoves in more than 200 countries. You will find their work linked on the stoves discussion site at www.stoves.bioenerglists.org ; Partnership for Clean Indoor Air http://www.pciaonline.org/ and others. 

You will find that participants on the biochar lists, which we have hosted since 2006, are also very experienced in soils, crops, engineering, and field applications in developing countries. Biochar is one of the tools that can help development and we are working to find ways in which it can help both provide heat for cooking and char to improve soil fertility. 

So discussion about improved biomass cooking stoves belongs on this list. Discussion about biochar belongs on the biochar lists unless you are making biochar with a cooking stove. 

Thanks 

Tom Miles 

Owner Bioenergylists.org 

tmiles at trmiles.com 

From: stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of user-05 at list.ru 
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 11:20 PM 
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves 
Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar] allAfrica.com: Africa: Biochar - Unfulfilled Promises in Cameroon 

Andrew C, David, Clem, Xmas Cheers, Erich, Ron, Kevin and ccs: 

Biochar is not the best method of application to improve soil fertility. 

[RWL: Your reasoning? Biochar can be obtained simultaneously with "essential oils"] 

The most effective method of improving soil fertility is fertilizationof green wood waste obtained during the processing of essential oils. 

[RWL: There may be a problem in Google translations here - but this sentence doesn't make sense to me. I do not intend to respond on the stoves list, should you wish to pursue this topic.] 

The amount of waste wood green compared to biochar get more.Essential oils in it are removed. This waste wood greens are an excellent material for planting and breeding Californian worm . 
In addition , Africans get a well paid job , producing essential oilsfrom native trees . 
Turn me into a program to improve soil fertility in Africa . I will create a perfect equipment for wood waste -free green tar , tar, taroils. It Californian worms will reproduce and velshikolepno Africawill gradually blooming and fragrant country. I'm ready now to join in this cause. 

[RWL: My part of this dialog will only be continuing on the Biochar sites - unless you bring in a direct connection of Biochar with stoves. The material that we have been discussing about Mr. Rademakers and his work in The Cameroon had no connection with stoves - as emphasized in the preceding message from Tom Miles.] 

Ron 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: rongretlarson at comcast.net 

To: biochar at yahoogroups.com ; Discussion of biomass ; Kevin Chisholm 

Cc: Erich Knight ; biochar-policy 

Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:01 AM 

Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar] allAfrica.com: Africa: Biochar - Unfulfilled Promises in Cameroon 

Kevin and ccs: 

1. This is getting complicated - as the dialog has shifted from the BFW story on Africa/Rademakers over to the IBI material.prepared by Kelpie Wilson. My perception is that you are looking for specific information from both reports that were not intended and aren't there. So I see no reason to respond to your questions about Kelpie's IBI work . 

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