[Stoves] The price of bottled gas

[Paul Olivier]

Michael,

The gas bottled used at the household level is filled with 12 kg of gas.

Paul


On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:55 AM, mtrevor <mtrevor at ntamar.net> wrote:

> **
> Just curious.
> What size bottle costs USD $21.00
> Here in the Marshall Islands the standard US 20 lbs bottle is $37.50
> and the small pressure cans in the stores run from $0.96 up to $2.00 plus.
>
> Michael N Ttvor
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Paul Olivier <paul.olivier at esrla.com>
> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 04, 2013 11:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] The price of bottled gas
>
>   Philip,
>
> Here in Vietnam bottled gas costs more than $21.00 US per bottle. There is
> no distribution problem here at all. Some households use up a bottle in
> less than one month. When the monthly wage is not more than $120 US per
> month, the situation is extremely dire.
>
> In many parts of Vietnam, rice hulls and coffee husks are often dumped in
> rivers and valleys. Sometimes they are uselessly burned as a means of
> disposal. With the right type of stove, these agricultural residues put out
> a beautiful blue flame that rivals that of bottled gas.
>
> When we derive energy from fossil fuels, there is nothing of value left
> behind. But when we gasify or pyrolyze biomass, a valuable biochar remains.
> When incorporated into the soil, biochar promotes plant growth and
> sequesters carbon.
>
> Why derive energy from fossil fuels when we can get it from renewable
> biomass?
> Are you not, in any way, concerned about global warming?
>
> Thanks.
> Paul
>
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Philip Lloyd <plloyd at mweb.co.za> wrote:
>
>> Paul Oliver commented " The price of bottled gas is a huge problem
>> throughout most of the
>> developing world."
>>
>> Part of the problem is poor models of distribution.  Locally, we are
>> seeing
>> the entry of a supplier who a) has found a way of filling 5kg bottles
>> rapidly at a central plant and b) distributing them directly to the
>> retailer
>> at minimal cost, with a growing chain of retailers chosen so that the
>> householder can resupply within 500m.  The net result is a halving of the
>> street price of bottle gas, and it is now the cheapest way to cook.
>>
>> The advantage of filling at a central plant is that safety is greatly
>> enhanced; and the discovery of a way of filling small cylinders rapidly
>> means high throughput and low costs.  Most big bottlers of gas don't like
>> the really small cylinders because they couldn't fill them rapidly enough
>> to
>> get throughput - it was cheaper (and far less safe) to refill them at the
>> retailers.
>>
>> Regards to all
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Stoves mailing list
>>
>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
>> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
>>
>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>>
>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Paul A. Olivier PhD
> 26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong
> Dalat
> Vietnam
>
> Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam)
> Mobile: 090-694-1573 (in Vietnam)
> Skype address: Xpolivier
> http://www.esrla.com/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Stoves mailing list
>
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
>
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6294 - Release Date: 05/03/13
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Stoves mailing list
>
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
>
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/
>
>
>


-- 
Paul A. Olivier PhD
26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong
Dalat
Vietnam

Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam)
Mobile: 090-694-1573 (in Vietnam)
Skype address: Xpolivier
http://www.esrla.com/
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20130505/17ebfcb8/attachment.html>