[Stoves] The price of bottled gas

[Christina Espinosa]

No worries Otto!

I don't see the list as a forum for promoting LPG. I use it as a way to
stay informed on stove design and whats happening. I like to know what kind
of stoves exist that would make a good fit for families in the market I
operate. My goal is to bring them clean stoves of their choice. That is why
this list is so great! So many of you all are great designers and
engineers. I am focusing on developing distribution models for you all to
use. I am also happy to contribute to research on consumer behavior for
fuel choice. We should have something out this year with the data from
Guatemala.

Best,

Christina

On Sunday, May 5, 2013, Otto Formo wrote:

> Dear Christina,
>
> Thanks for clearifying your options and ways forward.
>
> I just find it a bit od to spend time and efforts to promote LPG on this
> list, while most oil and gas companies, spend millions to promote their
> prodcts.
>
> I leave it to STATOIL to promote their fossil fuel products and still
> considered as an option as fuel for cooking in urban settings.
>
> I prefer to promote natural draft gasifiers and suitable biomass as fuel,
> still not so "well paid" as a marketing consultant for STATOIL or SHELL,
> but...........:)
>
> To connect rural people to the grid, will take decades and enormous
> amounts of money in investmens and will most likely not be affordable for
> 80 % of the population.
> I do not feel to much "worries" about the Multi National power companies,
> either.
> They will "manage".
>
> Thanks
>
> Otto
>
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> Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 11:04:34 -0700
> From: c_espinosa1 at u.pacific.edu
> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] The price of bottled gas
>
> Hi Otto,
>
> I definately consider biomass to be sutable for low income households...I
> probably wouldn't be part of this list if I didn't. I think that the work
> people are doing on this listserv is vital and important. I spent two years
> working on using biomass for households. I believe that families need to be
> presented with various stove options. Just because I support the use of LPG
> doesn't mean I am against biomass. I am the most concerned with health
> impact. I just don't believe that on this listserv we should be promoting
> not using LPG.  We are here to try and save lives and improve health. I
> think that Kirk Smiths opening comments at the Clean Cooking Forum are very
> clear about what steps need to be INCLUDED to reach our ultimate health
> goals. So I believe that we need to as Kirk Smith said, transition a
> portion of the people that are using purchased wood to gas/electricity. The
> most dificult task remains developing clean stoves that are affordable for
> families that don't have enough income to purchase fuel.
>
> My work is focused on designing affordable ways to distribute and adopt
> stoves, while focusing on a way to increrase houeshold education of HAP. We
> conducted a survey in Guatemala of 300 households to learn more about fuel
> use, fuel preference, stacking, fuel perception, willingness to pay, level
> of education about HAP, etc.
>
> Hope that helps to clear up any confusion.
>
> Best,
>
> Christina
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2013, Otto Formo wrote:
>
>  Cristina,
> I just noticed your comment on the statement to Paul O:
> "Are we not concerned about global warming each time that we switch on a
> modern gas stove?"
>  " *Are you saying that poor people shouldn't be allowed to use fossil
> fuels?"*
> Do you realy consider biomass not suitable for the low income households??
>
> I am using firewood from the nearby forest and considering instaling a
> pellet boiler, approximate 30 YEARS after the first Swede started to use
> his pellet and wood chip burner.
> Well, some people say Sweden has been better off, since VOLVO has moved to
> China, but still..............:)
>
> Norway is exporting 99% of LPG produced to US and Europe.
>
> Thanks
>
> Otto
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 01:41:33 -0700
> From: c_espinosa1 at u.pacific.edu
> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] The price of bottled gas
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Yes Guatemala does have a fair amount of agricultural residues. We worked
> on designing briquetting models and had a hard time with some of the
> available types of biomass. I am sure Richard could comment on this more
> since he started working here with some groups on designing a mix with the
> kinds of biomass that we have available.
>
> Also the infrastructure requirements for LPG and natural gas are different.
>
> Here is the FAO breakdown for Guatemala:
> http://faostat.fao.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?PageID=339&lang=en&country=89
>
> The most abundant biomass available here is with sugarcane and banana
> growers. When we talked with a large company growing
> bananas they expressed that they were investigating ways to turn the
> flower plams (I think that is what they are called) into electricity.
>  Again, the sugar cane growers I think are using the biomass for the same
> kinds of things. So Guatemala's two largest sources of
> biomass are or are in plans to be utilized for energy. Coffee husks might
> be one of the more available types. I remember reading
>
>

-- 
Christina Espinosa
University of the Pacific '10
School of International Studies
c_espinosa1 at u.pacific.edu
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