[Stoves] Stove Definition

Sun May 5 19:40:23 CDT 2013

Dear Erin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Erin Rasmussen 
  To: rongretlarson at comcast.net ; 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' ; 'Lanny Henson' 
  Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition

  The EcoKalan project in the Phillipines is using a "magic box" cooker with a rocket stove http://eco-kalan.com

  I see no reason why you can't do the same thing with a char making stove.  

  # This is a really good point!! "Conventional Testing" basically measures "Energy to the Pot." Improved testing" seeks to measure 

  "What fraction of the fuel energy supplied ends up in the pot?"

  # A Testing protocol" that measured "How much fuel energy was supplied to cook a standard" meal"? would enable combining the benefits of fuel efficient stoves and such "magic boxes" or "Retained Heat Cookers."

  # Lanny Henson has been reporting a lot of his cooking tests in terms of "Grams of fuel required to cook a meal", such as pinto beans, rice, ragou, etc. 

  Getting a starch or bean started on a gasifier stove, and then using the remaining gasifier energy to finish your breakfast while the cooker is saving you from using your coals to finish cooking your dinner, seems reasonable. 

  # I think that it is "Much Better than reasonable!!!" :-) With a good combustion system and a good Retained Heat Cooker design, one could probably easily make a Cooking Stove that was well beyond the best cooking efficiencies of conventional stove systems.

  Best wishes,

  Kevin

  Erin

  From: rongretlarson at comcast.net [mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net] 
  Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:17 PM
  To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Erin Rasmussen; Lanny Henson
  Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition

  Erin -   cc Lanny.   Thanks for the addition. I may be wrong, but I don't think this form of cooker is much in the GACC playbook for WBT4.2.1 drafting (and maybe shouldn't there).  I'll look carefully - as this is by far the best way to save money and keep CO2 out of the atmosphere.  Unfortunately I don't see a way to tie this cooker into biochar.   (This is a favorite topic for solar cooks.)

     But  I am only responding because you were following up with Lanny.  Taking his last line from below        
       "Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?"

      I would answer emphatically "no" (as I think we all would), but it should be listed among the better (and rarely used) ways to make charcoal, whch obviously all stoves should do..

     Going further, there probably is lot to be gained (for biochar) also by promoting more "fire walking" as practiced in the South Pacific.  But I digress.

     Other "cooker" approaches to advancing biochar?

  Ron 

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  From: "Erin Rasmussen" <erin at trmiles.com>
  To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
  Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 2:06:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition

  We also use "cooker" when we're talking about retained heat cooking. There's no fire there, so not a 'stove' but the food still does a fine job of cooking away in the insulated basket. 

  Erin 

  From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Lanny Henson
  Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:24 AM
  To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
  Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition

  Kevin, thanks for stirring the pudding.

  I believe we are using “Cooking Stoves” as a term that covers all cooking appliances like ovens, griddles, grills, roasters, vat cookers and other types of cookers. 

  If you said “cooking appliance” many people would not know what you were talking about, but “stove” is well known word that translates well.

  The word “cooker” would cover stoves, food cooking appliances, as well as non food, industrial type cookers, so “cooker” may be a good word to toss in when talking about “stoves”. 

  Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?

  Lanny

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Kevin 

    To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves ; Frank Shields 

    Cc: 'Jim Jetter' ; 'Hugh McLaughlin' ; 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' 

    Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:50 PM

    Subject: [Stoves] Stove Definition

    Dear List

    Just what is a "stove?"

    I would suggest that it is important that we all know what a "stove" is, when we attempt to determine the difference between a "good stove" and a "poor stove.'

    When we ask Mr. Google, we get more than 7 million hits. However, the most common definitions seem to be typified by the one at

     http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove

    " 1a : a portable or fixed apparatus that burns fuel or uses electricity to provide heat (as for cooking or heating) "

    At http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ , the stated purpose of the site is:

    "Our site is dedicated to helping people develop better stoves for cooking with biomass fuels in developing regions. "

    What about accepting the Merriam-Webster definition for a "stove?"

    Would anyone have a better definition for a "stove?"

    Best wishes,

    Kevin

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