[Stoves] Fwd: :Re: Tlud Briquettes in Nicaragua CA

Sun Nov 10 23:27:56 CST 2013

Hi Richard,

Please get your briquetting groups in contact with me so that I can get
them involved in the Stoves and Fuels Cluster being formed in Guatemala.

+502-4343-3209

Antigua, Guatemala

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Richard Stanley
<rstanley at legacyfound.org>wrote:

>  This is  where we are headed in a larger diameter form in Guatemala but
> in case it helps anyone ..
> Richard Stanley
> Antigua Guatemala
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> *Date: *November 10, 2013 8:31:48 AM CST
> *To: *Richard Stanley <rstanley at legacyfound.org>, Evan Marks <
> e.marks at creaf.uab.es>
> *Subject: **Re: :Re: Tlud Briquettes in Nicaragua CA*
>
> Dear Evan and Richard,
>
> Sorry for the late reply, but your message was sidetracked in my system.
>
> I hope that all is going well for the project.   I see that Evan has about
> one week remaining in Nicaragua.
>
> Please keep me posted about the progress.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>
> On 10/20/2013 11:26 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:
>
> Evans,  (and Paul Anderson),
> You enquiry about   smaller  sized sausages briquettes  for your Tlud
> stove you are developing with the students in Nicaragua is something that
> would be very much of interest to what Paul Andersion is into in the stoves
> news group.  I can probably assume you are already in ongoing contact with
> each other but I am l ccy'ng  this to Paul just in case. Below are two or
> three approaches we are proposing to Paul fo his produciton fo same fuel,
> for his Tlud stoves  in response to his initial request for same. At the
> base mold change -only level they are geared o use with a hand operated
> lever press many types out online and in the field already.. We are also
> proposing that for larger scale production you consider the design below
> which should easily be capable of 25 - 30 sausages a minute with two or
> three operators.
>   I hope thatif yo consider or rather convince the students to consider
> developing these you and they will keep us in the loop as there are many
> who would like to have access to such technologies and the students and
> faculty cold foma  training agenda for such  and or sell the technology
> product to further fund their own activities . We will be only too happy to
> see that happen as it gives us a resource to link to for the many enquiries
> we receive from the region.
>
>
>  And the mass production press:
>
>
>  -Evan Marks
>
>
> 2013/10/17 Richard Stanley <rstanley at legacyfound.org>
>
>> Evans,
>>
>>  Thanks much for your interest in us ! Please, first send me some design
>> sketches or photos of the stove you are developing. Briquettes are quite
>> varied in shape, composition and burn profile but there are still some
>> stoves in which they work better than  others. We can think about varying
>> these factors to best fit your stove  if it any or all of the following
>> works out.
>>
>> We will be in Nicaragua from the 20th November through the 17th December,
>> based in Granada.   Although you do not have funds for our fees, we would
>> be willing to forego  those in the interest  of gaining insights and
>> exposure to the  Nicaraguan  landscape for briquette potential-– a
>> "landscape" of which we have practically no knowledge. Perhaps however, you
>> could just arrange lodging and travel to Esteli for the conference you are
>> proposing.
>>
>>  We are finishing a year long training and technology development
>> exercise in Guatemala (though National Geographic) and will be looking into
>> possibilities for the Guatemalan trainers to come down and train others in
>> the art and craft of briquette-making there in Nicaragua. In doing that as
>> we did in Guatemala and before, we try to position our efforts where there
>> is-or will be a real *economically justified* need for the briquette
>> fuel poduced locally for the producers own local market(s).  It all hinges
>> on the fact that the producers will have a viable market for their
>> briquette product. Once that is in place, all the socal and anvironmental
>> benefits accrue, but only as long as the briquette is being produced and
>> sold. If it is not going to b an econmically viale proposition for the
>> local producer, we generally will not undertake the project, as we do not
>> have the funds to support the process beyond initial training and follow
>> up.
>>
>>  This rather" tough love" approach assures a certain solidity of the
>> producer network once established but it also  ensures a drop out rate of
>> 30 to 40% due, often, to well entrenched expectations of sustained  donor
>> support; AKA the 'donor dependency syndrome'.
>>
>>
>>  In that vein, and as concersn a conference, while we welcome
>> discussions with faculty and students about the theory, technology choices,
>> training approach and impacts of the briquette embedding program, we'd like
>> to  try for a greater--and self sustaining-- impact  than just that of a
>> conference alone:
>> Let me propose to you that we plan it so that the results of our combined
>> discussions and learning at the proposed conference, be directed in such a
>> way as to assure direct beneficial and measurable impact in the local
>> community where there is economic justification for the briquette and
>> presumably the stove you are developing.   If he briquette is found by pre
>> assessment, to be economically non-viable in the immediate locale of the
>> conference, we would need to see where else  it could work and further, how
>> the conference participants would be linked to that community to assess,
>> plan, train and track the community's experience with the briquete
>> technology.
>>
>>   If, as a result of the conference, two or three student
>> teams  (hopefully aided by trainers from Guatemala) can proceed to go out
>> and start new production activities, the conference can be  economically
>> rationalised and inter-alia, the sustained socal and environmental
>> benefits, can be logically projected. Equipped with this kind of approach
>> and data, I feel that we could provide  much more pleasent music to any
>> donor or sponsoring organisation than just seeking funding a conference,
>> per se.
>>
>>  But my apologies: In retrosepct I have gotten far  ahead of myself.
>>  First, do you think that your organisation or the University will be able
>> to cover our travel from Granada and lodging for the ?? two --three days of
>> said conference ?  If not we can still arrange to meet you in Granada, to
>> at least exchange views and interests and areas of  future cooperation.
>>
>>  We will be retaining this email contact (above)  as we proceed through
>> work in Guatemala and Nicaragua, so that we can stay in touch as our
>> prospective meetup occurs.
>>
>>  Ok I await your thoughts and thanks again for considering us in your
>> own work.
>>
>>  Kind regards,
>>
>> Richard Stanley
>> www.legacyfound.org
>> Ashland Oregon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Oct 16, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Evan Marks wrote:
>>
>> Dear Richard,
>>
>>  I saw your message regarding your interest in potential collaborators
>> in Nicaragua on the Stoves listserv some time ago. We are aware of the
>> Legacy Foundation's work and find it very interesting, though we have
>> little theoretical and no practical experience with the subject. We (myself
>> and one other person) will be in Estelí, Nicaragua for a number of months
>> beginning in Nov. to carry out a collaborative stove design project with
>> the university extension there. Given your inviting message, we thought it
>> would be opportune to introduce ourselves.
>>
>>  Additionally, we wanted to propose the possibility of working with you
>> to plan a workshop within the context of the university. Let us know if
>> this activity would interest you and your colleagues. I know from your
>> website that at times the Foundation charges for such activities, though I
>> will tell you in advance that unfortunately we don't have any funds
>> available for this, but we would be very delighted if this was something
>> you were willing to participate in on a volunteer basis.
>>
>>  Whether or not the above will be possible, we do hope to meet you in
>> Nicaragua, we have lots of questions! Do you know yet where you will be
>> based for the winter? Do you already have experiences in Nicaragua? Do you
>> have a sense of what are the most promising briquettemaking feedstocks in
>> the region?
>>
>>  Look forward to your reply, yours truly,
>>
>>  --
>> Evan Marks, Ph.D.
>> Grup de Protecció i Restauració de Sols
>> Centre de Recerca Ecològica i d'Aplicacions Forestals
>> Edifici C, Campus de la UAB
>> 08193, Bellaterra (Cerdanyola del Vallès)
>> Spain
>> Tel (+34) 93 581 4850
>> e.marks[at]creaf.uab.es
>> www.creaf.uab.es
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
> Evan Marks
> Grup de Protecció i Restauració de Sols
> Centre de Recerca Ecològica i d'Aplicacions Forestals
> Edifici C, Campus de la UAB
> 08193, Bellaterra (Cerdanyola del Vallès)
> Spain
> Tel (+34) 93 581 4850
> e.marks[at]creaf.uab.es
> www.creaf.uab.es
>
>
>
>
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Christina Espinosa
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School of International Studies
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