[Stoves] Is this Off Topic?? Fwd: Re: [biochar] Where to discuss STOVES AND CARBON offsets and drawdown
Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
crispinpigott at outlook.com
Tue Sep 12 10:08:02 CDT 2017
Dear Paul
1. eschatology (n.)
the branch of theology that is concerned with such final things as death and Last Judgment; Heaven and Hell; the ultimate destiny of humankind
>Very appropriate choice of words as atmospheric CO2 levels rise and could well contribute to (what you wrote):.
to turn the whole planet into a verdant garden of delight.
>But probably not "delight". More like a "hothouse garden eventually supporting less than half the number of the world's current population"
It is that sort of catastrophism which is the natural driver of the eschatological doom-mongers striving to make money from people’s ignorance of their own planet. Good grief, people in the future are going to laugh at our gullibility. Even if it were true, that Western industrial society causes hot/cold, rain/drought, deserts/swamps, why is it the problem of the world’s poor to solve it?
>(which means the end of standards of living as known today, but maninly suffered through environmental disruption, war, famine and disease inflicted on our descendants, unless drawdown is accomplished.)
I think that is speculative gibberish. As anyone know who follows this matter closely, the entire edifice of climate catastrophism is built upon the projections of computer models which have been, repeatedly and completely, proven to have no skill at all in predicting anything.
This stands quite apart from people predicting (saying), “cooking stoves increase atmospheric CO2 and that will lead to expanding deserts and starvation…” (etc) while 5 minutes later saying that stoves create snow and ice by the same mechanism. If you claim that anything that is possible to happen is caused by witches, then when something happens, it is proof that it was witches behind the whole thing.
Did you know there is a better correlation between the global temperature and the number of pirates than the concentration of CO2?
>Your implied comparison between opinions by contemporaries of witches in the 1600s and current opinions of scientists in the 2000s is a bit of a streach. I'll interprete that as an attempt at humor. :-)
It was not an implied comparison – it is a perfect example. Read the letter from the Pope to Germany about the hurricanes they were experience as the Earth cooled in the 1600’s. Terrible storms and famines. He said they are fully aware that the weather is controlled by witches and yet you tolerate them in every community. They responded by ‘identifying’ then burning 2500 of them in only three German provinces. Each day that passed without a major storm was proof that the ‘cure’ was effective, supporting the consensus that the weather is controlled by witches. Bad weather, on the other hand proved, each time, that there was still more witches to be outed and burned, further confirming the consensus.
Stoves and Health:
Compare the claims for ‘health benefits’ of three stoves and health studies being conducted right now by Fresh Air (Netherlands). The one in Kyrgyzstan (which I have reported on previously) shows clearly that when on has a poorly constructed, badly burning stove (whatever the fuel) that leaks a significant fraction of emissions into the home either all the time or when it is opened for use and refueling, and replaces it with a really good and properly installed stove, there are immediate, statistically significant improvements in health. In the other locations the evidence is far less conclusive because of confounding factors.
Before the Kyrgyzstan study, where was the proof that stoves can improve health, and by how much? Was there quantification of emissions, concentrations, exposure and consequences? It is at least possible to appeal to ‘science’ and ‘data’ on this matter, but it is not possible to do that with aDALY’s because they are science fiction, and a very important part of the current conversation about performance and forecasting possible impact.
If ‘drawdown’ can achieve a cooler, drier, stormier, increasingly desertified world with slower growing plants and shorter growing seasons, it will be ‘magic’ if it can support more people in better conditions. I do not yet believe in magic.
You don’t have to invoke the End Times in order to sell TLUD’s that cook well and make charcoal. Just get on with it.
Eschatologically yours*
Crispin
(Cribbed from the heading notes of the song "We Will All Go Together When We Go" by Tom Lehrer)
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