[Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 112, Issue 17
Norman Baker
ntbakerphd at gmail.com
Fri Dec 27 13:04:07 CST 2019
I think a biochar Friday is an excellent idea. Will be there.
Norm
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> 1. Re: Fwd: "The effects of fuel type and stove design on ..." -
> new citations (Ronal Larson)
> 2. FW: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS (Anderson, Paul)
> 3. Re: [tluds] Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS (K McLean)
> 4. Re: [tluds] [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the start of
> ETHOS (Anderson, Paul)
> 5. Re: [tluds] [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the start of
> ETHOS (Anderson, Paul)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 15:40:00 -0700
> From: Ronal Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Cc: Nikhil Desai <ndesai at alum.mit.edu>, dan weinshenker
> <danweinshenker at gmail.com>, "Paul S. Anderson" <psanders at ilstu.edu
> >,
> "Kevin McLean >" <info at sun24.solar>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Fwd: "The effects of fuel type and stove design
> on ..." - new citations
> Message-ID: <E36C2CCE-6EF2-43FB-A01A-AA2A8F002C73 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> List: cc Nikhil, Dan, Paul, Kevin
>
> The direct link that Dan refers to is:
> http://www.drtlud.com/2016/09/30/deganga-tlud-project-2016/ <
> http://www.drtlud.com/2016/09/30/deganga-tlud-project-2016/>
>
> I have just re-read it, and find areas that both support Dan?s
> positives and some of my concerns (such as needing a subsidized price - and
> little char getting into the ground).
>
> Kevin?s name is here again (my only cc for my 24 Dec. message -
> still below) because he has been emphasizing zero cost modifications for
> cooking. I know he can accept low cost if the units can make money. How
> low does low have to be?
>
> Dan?s remarks help me to respond to Nikhil?s comments to me (see
> below) - who I am afraid didn?t discuss anything (at all) about TLUD
> interventions. Dan is too modest to say so - but he is producing a lot of
> char while heating his (self-designed and self-built) home in Southern
> Colorado. Char used as biochar. Those going to ETHOS would be well
> advised to seek out Dan.
>
> Nikhil - would you be good enough to speak (as an Economist) to a few of
> the many parts of Paul?s 2016 report.
>
> Paul: any (third-year) update that would help this particular thread? I
> am particularly impressed at the large potential annual income that can be
> earned. It looks like one can claim a payback time of only a few months.
> Anything new on produced char becoming biochar?
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> > On Dec 25, 2019, at 5:41 PM, dan weinshenker <danweinshenker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm wondering about your evaluation of the project "Case Study of the
> Acceptance of Champion TLUD Gasifier Stoves in the Deganga Area, Ganges
> Delta, India" ? Report available on Paul Anderson's DrTLUD website.
> Project has expanded significantly even since this report.
> >
> > Seems like this is a high adoption program, thousands of stoves, numbers
> increasing year by year, with year after year sustained success. It also
> has many related business components, from cooks earning money; charcoal
> collectors; charcoal purchases; management and coordination services; stove
> manufacturer; subsidized purchase finance, etc.
> >
> > All and everybody helping the whole; everybody making money. Nobody
> getting rich, but enough incentives all around.
> >
> > To me, seems like a great total business plan. Works because it's
> comprehensive.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 9:06 AM Nikhil Desai <pienergy2008 at gmail.com
> <mailto:pienergy2008 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Ron:
> >
> > You asked for thoughts, so I will offer mine. As an economist, I ought
> to know how money is made. (Raising grants. Administering grants. By
> publishing papers and holding fourth at conferences, performing "show and
> tell" before poor women, a form of poverty and climate tourism. Or taking a
> cut of the CDM or VER markets to ensure that the poor are properly
> penalized if their biomass is sourced renewably.)
> >
> > Stoves don't make money. People make money. That is a likely clue to why
> charcoal-making stoves don't sell themselves as much as you believe they
> should; there are too many cooks making sure that the broth is spoiled.
> >
> > And people "make money" when they do something financially profitable -
> earning a return on their investment in the stove, their feedstock, and
> their labor.
> >
> > It may well be that your favorite charcoal-making stoves are not
> profitable enough in all contexts. Or that non-cooks are busy baking their
> own cake in the name of the poor. (EPA and Gates Foundation consultants, to
> be precise.)
> >
> > Nikhil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Nikhil Desai
> > (US +1) 202 568 5831
> > Skype: nikhildesai888
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 12:52 PM Ronal Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net
> <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>> wrote:
> > List: cc Kevin
> >
> > I recommend this (non-fee) overview article shown below. The free
> pdf version is at:
> https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/1.5141191?class=pdf <
> https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/1.5141191?class=pdf>.
> >
> > This is a nice stove-breakdown list - that they mostly cover:
> >
> > (a) According to technology used: Traditional and Improved cookstove
> > (b) According to draft or air supply: Natural draft and Forced draft
> > (c) According to combustion mechanism: Direct combustion and Gasifier
> > (d) According to fuel used: wood, Dung cake, charcoal, residue crops,
> Multi-fuels
> > (e) According to material: Mud, Brick, Ceramic, Metal and Hybrid
> > (f) According to fuel feeding: Batch feeding or continuous feeding
> > (g) According to utility: Domestic size or Community size
> > (h) According to chimney used: Cookstove with chimney or cookstove
> without chimney
> > (i) According to portability: Portable or fixed type
> > (j) According to pot used: Single pot or multiple pots
> >
> > I would add one more:
> > k). According to money flow: Make money or spend money while cooking
> >
> > Obviously there should be some stove-user interest in
> money-making. The only way I am aware of is making charcoal. Others?
> >
> > So this k) option is already possible as a part of c) Gasifier
> (meaning only TLUD in this paper). But (unfortunately) not much of k) is
> now happening as part of c). Nor is marketing of char discussed in this
> article.
> >
> > But there are many ways to make charcoal and some of the other
> ways are potentially applicable to cooking tasks. I?m working on a
> message on these other non-TLUD ways - and would welcome on-list or
> off-list dialog if anyone else is doing that.
> >
> > If we discuss k) seriously, it seems that k) can involve EVERY one
> of the breakdowns a) through j). I am concentrating now on modifications
> of both the ?Traditional? and ?improved" parts of a). This category can
> also expand what is covered in a) through j). For instance, b) can
> include ?no draft?. e) may have other options than those shown. f) might
> have ?and? as well as ?or?.
> >
> > This paper is a nice summary of much past work, but is essentially
> silent on k) - the making of char/money while cooking. No discussion of
> how char influences efficiency computation.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>
> >> From: Google Scholar Alerts <scholaralerts-noreply at google.com <mailto:
> scholaralerts-noreply at google.com>>
> >> Subject: "The effects of fuel type and stove design on ..." - new
> citations
> >> Date: December 24, 2019 at 6:47:33 AM MST
> >> To: rongretlarson at comcast.net <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>
> >>
> >> Evolution of high performance and low emission biomass cookstoves-an
> overview <
> http://scholar.google.com/scholar_url?url=https://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.5141191&hl=en&sa=X&d=17213963389128872961&scisig=AAGBfm0-waMeF4PChI8-x6xowjhFKrv5zg&nossl=1&oi=scholaralrt
> >
> >> C Samal, PC Mishra, S Mukherjee, D Das - AIP Conference Proceedings,
> 2019
> >> As a huge rural population worldwide is depending on open-fired or
> traditional
> >> cookstoves to meet daily domestic energy needs, improvement of thermal
> efficiency
> >> and reduction of harmful emissions are essential. Accordingly, many
> researchers are ?
> >> <
> http://scholar.google.com/scholar_share?hl=en&oi=scholaralrt&ss=tw&url=https://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.5141191&rt=Evolution+of+high+performance+and+low+emission+biomass+cookstoves-an+overview&scisig=AAGBfm2ygNIluhutGJVItASU2b5RP-mSqA>
> <
> http://scholar.google.com/scholar_share?hl=en&oi=scholaralrt&ss=fb&url=https://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.5141191&rt=Evolution+of+high+performance+and+low+emission+biomass+cookstoves-an+overview&scisig=AAGBfm2ygNIluhutGJVItASU2b5RP-mSqA
> >
> >> "The effects of fuel type and stove design on emissions and efficiency
> of natural-draft semi-gasifier biomass cookstoves" - new citations
> >>
> >>
> >> CANCEL ALERT <
> http://scholar.google.com/scholar_alerts?view_op=cancel_alert_options&email_for_op=rongretlarson%40comcast.net&alert_id=YUsCvyJf17UJ&hl=en
> >
> >> This alert is sent by Google Scholar. Google Scholar is a service by
> Google.
> >>
> >
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> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 23:23:59 +0000
> From: "Anderson, Paul" <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>, "tluds at biochar. groups. io"
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> Subject: [Stoves] FW: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
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> To all,
>
> Last Saturday 21 Dec, I sent the message below to three listservs. I
> am resending it because I have received not one single response about the
> proposal for Biochar Friday on 24 January 2020 in the Seattle/Kirkland area.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com<
> http://www.drtlud.com>
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> Skype:
> paultlud
> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
> Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
> Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org<http://www.JuntosNFP.org> to support
> woodgas (TLUD) projects
> incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
> and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
> Author of "A Capitalist Carol" (free digital copies at
> www.capitalism21.org<http://www.capitalism21.org>)
> with pages 88 - 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
> cookstoves.
>
> From: Anderson, Paul
> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 11:14 AM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>;
> Biochar Group <biochar at yahoogroups.com>; tluds at biochar. groups. io <
> tluds at biochar.groups.io>
> Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Subject: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
>
> Biochar Friday 2020 (The attachment is exactly like the message below,
> but is in .docx format.)
>
> Dear all (but directed to those who deal with Biochar issues and/or
> who could be attending the ETHOS meeting in Kirkland, Washington on 24 - 26
> January 2020),
>
> Within the regular attendees of ETHOS there is a "mini-sub-group" with an
> interest in biochar, especially the production of biochar such as with TLUD
> cookstoves and barrels and other small pyrolysis devices. Because we are
> together each year, it is proposed that we have a separate (but
> coordinated) meeting about biochar on the Friday (24 January this year)
> before ETHOS starts.
>
> After some few comments from others via email, I have made the following
> arrangements for the Biochar Friday group:
>
> 1. The Biochar Friday group is to have its first gathering on 24 January
> 2020.
>
> 2. The meeting room of the Kirkland Inn (connected to the breakfast room)
> has been reserved for the morning of 24 January. ETHOS controls that
> meeting room from noon onward. (There is no option to meet at Shari's
> restaurant.)
>
> 3. We will gather at 8:00 AM, with an on-time official start at 9:00 AM.
> Tom Miles has offered to provide a summary of the status of international
> (and USA/North America) biochar activities (not just about the
> organizations called "Biochar Initiatives.") How much time he has will be
> determined after others have had a chance to make proposals for the use of
> the time. One additional topic could be the role of PyCC (Pyrolytic
> Carbon Capture) to assist the battle against climate change. Perhaps
> there will be some panel discussions, depending on who attends. It will
> NOT be with academic presentations. The focus is NOT on the agricultural
> / soil / micro-fauna / etc. aspects of biochar, but such can be mentioned.
>
> 4. We will ask ETHOS leadership if we can extend our time past noon, up
> to the time when ETHOS will have its use of the room (usually starting at
> 1:00 or 1:30 PM).
>
> 5. Because the Woodgas TLUD stoves are makers of charcoal / biochar, they
> could be featured in the afternoon time reserved for ETHOS, but that is up
> for discussion.
>
> 6. Upon expiration of any time for Biochar topics in the room, the
> Biochar Friday group is at liberty to move to another location (not
> defined). If the group is small, that will be easy. If numerous, we can
> be creative with specialty groups or focus groups.
>
> ***************
> So, the Biochar Friday event is now official. It is open to everyone.
> You can make your travel arrangements to allow your presence at the event.
> Remember to register for the ETHOS meeting (at www.ethoscon.com<
> http://www.ethoscon.com> , and to reserve your room at the Baymont Inn
> at Seattle/Kirkland: 425-947-1030 (and say that you are with ETHOS.)
>
> There is no charge for Biochar Friday but donations to cover the room
> rental (AM only) will be accepted at the event (unless we find a sponsor).
>
> This announcement is going to three (3) Listservs but could be forward to
> others by you: Biochar group, Stoves Listserv, tluds Listserv. And
> ETHOS could send it to its mailing list. Please reply to your respective
> listservs, but know that not everyone will see your replies. Especially
> if you expect to attend the Biochar Friday, be sure that I receive
> notification ( psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> ).
>
> I (we) are looking for some volunteers, but not sure what duties there are
> to be undertaken.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com<
> http://www.drtlud.com>
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> Skype:
> paultlud
> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
> Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
> Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org<http://www.JuntosNFP.org> to support
> woodgas (TLUD) projects
> incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
> and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
> Author of "A Capitalist Carol" (free digital copies at
> www.capitalism21.org<http://www.capitalism21.org>)
> with pages 88 - 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
> cookstoves.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 22:26:14 -0500
> From: K McLean <info at sun24.solar>
> To: tluds at biochar.groups.io
> Cc: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>, Biochar Group
> <biochar at yahoogroups.com>, "Anderson, Paul" <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] [tluds] Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
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> I need to learn more about biochar. I arrive Thursday so Friday for
> biochar is good. Thanks, Paul.
>
> *Kevin McLean, President*
> *Sun24*
>
> *https://sun24.solar <https://sun24.solar> Sun24 Cookstoves Overview
> <
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZryS7gQ1q3zKLZPM2KcXdtIHbOYQp4PbloPqMvrlZ5Y/edit?usp=sharing
> >*
> *Tampa, Florida, USA*
> *+1 (813) 505-3340*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 12:14 PM Paul S Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Biochar Friday 2020 (The attachment is exactly like the message below,
> > but is in .docx format.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear all (but directed to those who deal with Biochar issues and/or
> > who could be attending the ETHOS meeting in Kirkland, Washington on 24 ?
> 26
> > January 2020),
> >
> >
> >
> > Within the regular attendees of ETHOS there is a ?mini-sub-group? with an
> > interest in biochar, especially the production of biochar such as with
> TLUD
> > cookstoves and barrels and other small pyrolysis devices. Because we are
> > together each year, it is proposed that we have a separate (but
> > coordinated) meeting about biochar on the Friday (24 January this year)
> > before ETHOS starts.
> >
> >
> >
> > After some few comments from others via email, I have made the following
> > arrangements for the Biochar Friday group:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. The Biochar Friday group is to have its first gathering on 24 January
> > 2020.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. The meeting room of the Kirkland Inn (connected to the breakfast
> room)
> > has been reserved for the *morning* of 24 January. ETHOS controls that
> > meeting room from noon onward. (There is no option to meet at Shari?s
> > restaurant.)
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. We will gather at 8:00 AM, with an on-time official start at 9:00
> > AM. Tom Miles has offered to provide a summary of the status of
> > international (and USA/North America) biochar activities (not just about
> > the organizations called ?Biochar Initiatives.?) How much time he has
> > will be determined after others have had a chance to make proposals for
> the
> > use of the time. One additional topic could be the role of PyCC
> > (Pyrolytic Carbon Capture) to assist the battle against climate change.
> > Perhaps there will be some panel discussions, depending on who attends.
> > It will NOT be with academic presentations. The focus is NOT on the
> > agricultural / soil / micro-fauna / etc. aspects of biochar, but such can
> > be mentioned.
> >
> >
> >
> > 4. We will ask ETHOS leadership if we can extend our time past noon, up
> > to the time when ETHOS will have its use of the room (usually starting at
> > 1:00 or 1:30 PM).
> >
> >
> >
> > 5. Because the Woodgas TLUD stoves are makers of charcoal / biochar,
> they
> > could be featured in the afternoon time reserved for ETHOS, but that is
> up
> > for discussion.
> >
> >
> >
> > 6. Upon expiration of any time for Biochar topics in the room, the
> > Biochar Friday group is at liberty to move to another location (not
> > defined). If the group is small, that will be easy. If numerous, we
> can
> > be creative with specialty groups or focus groups.
> >
> >
> >
> > ***************
> >
> > So, the Biochar Friday event is now official. It is open to everyone.
> > You can make your travel arrangements to allow your presence at the
> event.
> > Remember to register for the ETHOS meeting (at www.ethoscon.com ,
> > and to reserve your room at the Baymont Inn at Seattle/Kirkland:
> > 425-947-1030 (and say that you are with ETHOS.)
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no charge for Biochar Friday but donations to cover the room
> > rental (AM only) will be accepted at the event (unless we find a
> > sponsor).
> >
> >
> >
> > This announcement is going to three (3) Listservs but could be forward to
> > others by you: Biochar group, Stoves Listserv, tluds Listserv. And
> > ETHOS could send it to its mailing list. Please reply to your
> respective
> > listservs, but know that not everyone will see your replies. Especially
> > if you expect to attend the Biochar Friday, be sure that I receive
> > notification ( psanders at ilstu.edu ).
> >
> >
> >
> > I (we) are looking for some volunteers, but not sure what duties there
> are
> > to be undertaken.
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com
> >
> > Email: psanders at ilstu.edu Skype: paultlud
> >
> > Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
> >
> > Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
> >
> > Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org to support woodgas (TLUD) projects
> >
> > incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
> >
> > and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
> >
> > Author of ?*A Capitalist Carol*? (free digital copies at
> > www.capitalism21.org)
> >
> > with pages 88 ? 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
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> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 03:52:57 +0000
> From: "Anderson, Paul" <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> To: "tluds at Biochar.groups.io" <tluds at Biochar.groups.io>,
> "biochar at yahoogroups.com" <biochar at yahoogroups.com>, 'Discussion
> of
> biomass cooking stoves' <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] [tluds] [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the
> start of ETHOS
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> Tom and all,
>
> Feel free to resend my message (plus encouragements) to other people and
> lists.
>
> Please note that the full range of biochar topics (like microbes in
> biochar) is not being discussed. We are trying to link char making with
> cookstoves and other low cost devices.
>
> I am counting on others to help make this a meaningful gathering.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com<
> http://www.drtlud.com>
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> Skype:
> paultlud
> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
> Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
> Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org<http://www.JuntosNFP.org> to support
> woodgas (TLUD) projects
> incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
> and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
> Author of "A Capitalist Carol" (free digital copies at
> www.capitalism21.org<http://www.capitalism21.org>)
> with pages 88 - 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
> cookstoves.
>
> From: tluds at Biochar.groups.io <tluds at Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom
> Miles via Groups.Io
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:40 PM
> To: biochar at yahoogroups.com; 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' <
> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>; 'tluds at biochar. groups. io' <
> tluds at biochar.groups.io>
> Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [tluds] [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
>
> [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to
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> Paul,
>
> I think the biochar Friday is a good idea. Maybe we need to get the word
> out to a broader list.
>
> Tom
>
> From: biochar at yahoogroups.com <biochar at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 3:24 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>;
> tluds at biochar. groups. io <tluds at biochar.groups.io>; Biochar Group <
> biochar at yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Subject: [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
>
>
> To all,
>
> Last Saturday 21 Dec, I sent the message below to three listservs. I
> am resending it because I have received not one single response about the
> proposal for Biochar Friday on 24 January 2020 in the Seattle/Kirkland area.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com<
> http://www.drtlud.com>
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> Skype:
> paultlud
> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
> Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
> Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org<http://www.JuntosNFP.org> to support
> woodgas (TLUD) projects
> incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
> and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
> Author of "A Capitalist Carol" (free digital copies at
> www.capitalism21.org<http://www.capitalism21.org>)
> with pages 88 - 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
> cookstoves.
>
> From: Anderson, Paul
> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 11:14 AM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> <mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>>; Biochar Group <
> biochar at yahoogroups.com<mailto:biochar at yahoogroups.com>>; tluds at biochar.
> groups. io <tluds at biochar.groups.io<mailto:tluds at biochar.groups.io>>
> Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>>
> Subject: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
>
> Biochar Friday 2020 (The attachment is exactly like the message below,
> but is in .docx format.)
>
> Dear all (but directed to those who deal with Biochar issues and/or
> who could be attending the ETHOS meeting in Kirkland, Washington on 24 - 26
> January 2020),
>
> Within the regular attendees of ETHOS there is a "mini-sub-group" with an
> interest in biochar, especially the production of biochar such as with TLUD
> cookstoves and barrels and other small pyrolysis devices. Because we are
> together each year, it is proposed that we have a separate (but
> coordinated) meeting about biochar on the Friday (24 January this year)
> before ETHOS starts.
>
> After some few comments from others via email, I have made the following
> arrangements for the Biochar Friday group:
>
> 1. The Biochar Friday group is to have its first gathering on 24 January
> 2020.
>
> 2. The meeting room of the Kirkland Inn (connected to the breakfast room)
> has been reserved for the morning of 24 January. ETHOS controls that
> meeting room from noon onward. (There is no option to meet at Shari's
> restaurant.)
>
> 3. We will gather at 8:00 AM, with an on-time official start at 9:00 AM.
> Tom Miles has offered to provide a summary of the status of international
> (and USA/North America) biochar activities (not just about the
> organizations called "Biochar Initiatives.") How much time he has will be
> determined after others have had a chance to make proposals for the use of
> the time. One additional topic could be the role of PyCC (Pyrolytic
> Carbon Capture) to assist the battle against climate change. Perhaps
> there will be some panel discussions, depending on who attends. It will
> NOT be with academic presentations. The focus is NOT on the agricultural
> / soil / micro-fauna / etc. aspects of biochar, but such can be mentioned.
>
> 4. We will ask ETHOS leadership if we can extend our time past noon, up
> to the time when ETHOS will have its use of the room (usually starting at
> 1:00 or 1:30 PM).
>
> 5. Because the Woodgas TLUD stoves are makers of charcoal / biochar, they
> could be featured in the afternoon time reserved for ETHOS, but that is up
> for discussion.
>
> 6. Upon expiration of any time for Biochar topics in the room, the
> Biochar Friday group is at liberty to move to another location (not
> defined). If the group is small, that will be easy. If numerous, we can
> be creative with specialty groups or focus groups.
>
> ***************
> So, the Biochar Friday event is now official. It is open to everyone.
> You can make your travel arrangements to allow your presence at the event.
> Remember to register for the ETHOS meeting (at www.ethoscon.com<
> http://www.ethoscon.com> , and to reserve your room at the Baymont Inn
> at Seattle/Kirkland: 425-947-1030 (and say that you are with ETHOS.)
>
> There is no charge for Biochar Friday but donations to cover the room
> rental (AM only) will be accepted at the event (unless we find a sponsor).
>
> This announcement is going to three (3) Listservs but could be forward to
> others by you: Biochar group, Stoves Listserv, tluds Listserv. And
> ETHOS could send it to its mailing list. Please reply to your respective
> listservs, but know that not everyone will see your replies. Especially
> if you expect to attend the Biochar Friday, be sure that I receive
> notification ( psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> ).
>
> I (we) are looking for some volunteers, but not sure what duties there are
> to be undertaken.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com<
> http://www.drtlud.com>
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> Skype:
> paultlud
> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
> Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
> Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org<http://www.JuntosNFP.org> to support
> woodgas (TLUD) projects
> incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
> and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
> Author of "A Capitalist Carol" (free digital copies at
> www.capitalism21.org<http://www.capitalism21.org>)
> with pages 88 - 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
> cookstoves.
>
> __._,_.___
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 03:56:44 +0000
> From: "Anderson, Paul" <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> To: "tluds at Biochar.groups.io" <tluds at Biochar.groups.io>,
> "biochar at yahoogroups.com" <biochar at yahoogroups.com>, 'Discussion
> of
> biomass cooking stoves' <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Cc: "Biochar at groups.io" <Biochar at groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] [tluds] [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the
> start of ETHOS
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> Tom, I think that you and I are sending messages to the OLD biochar
> email address. This could be a common mistake by others, also. Do we
> need to delete the old address from our address books to prevent such
> errors?
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com<
> http://www.drtlud.com>
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> Skype:
> paultlud
> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
> Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
> Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org<http://www.JuntosNFP.org> to support
> woodgas (TLUD) projects
> incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
> and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
> Author of "A Capitalist Carol" (free digital copies at
> www.capitalism21.org<http://www.capitalism21.org>)
> with pages 88 - 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
> cookstoves.
>
> From: tluds at Biochar.groups.io <tluds at Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom
> Miles via Groups.Io
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:40 PM
> To: biochar at yahoogroups.com; 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' <
> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>; 'tluds at biochar. groups. io' <
> tluds at biochar.groups.io>
> Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [tluds] [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
>
> [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to
> abuse at ilstu.edu<mailto:abuse at ilstu.edu>]
> Paul,
>
> I think the biochar Friday is a good idea. Maybe we need to get the word
> out to a broader list.
>
> Tom
>
> From: biochar at yahoogroups.com <biochar at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 3:24 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>;
> tluds at biochar. groups. io <tluds at biochar.groups.io>; Biochar Group <
> biochar at yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Subject: [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
>
>
> To all,
>
> Last Saturday 21 Dec, I sent the message below to three listservs. I
> am resending it because I have received not one single response about the
> proposal for Biochar Friday on 24 January 2020 in the Seattle/Kirkland area.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com<
> http://www.drtlud.com>
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> Skype:
> paultlud
> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
> Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
> Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org<http://www.JuntosNFP.org> to support
> woodgas (TLUD) projects
> incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
> and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
> Author of "A Capitalist Carol" (free digital copies at
> www.capitalism21.org<http://www.capitalism21.org>)
> with pages 88 - 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
> cookstoves.
>
> From: Anderson, Paul
> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 11:14 AM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> <mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>>; Biochar Group <
> biochar at yahoogroups.com<mailto:biochar at yahoogroups.com>>; tluds at biochar.
> groups. io <tluds at biochar.groups.io<mailto:tluds at biochar.groups.io>>
> Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>>
> Subject: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
>
> Biochar Friday 2020 (The attachment is exactly like the message below,
> but is in .docx format.)
>
> Dear all (but directed to those who deal with Biochar issues and/or
> who could be attending the ETHOS meeting in Kirkland, Washington on 24 - 26
> January 2020),
>
> Within the regular attendees of ETHOS there is a "mini-sub-group" with an
> interest in biochar, especially the production of biochar such as with TLUD
> cookstoves and barrels and other small pyrolysis devices. Because we are
> together each year, it is proposed that we have a separate (but
> coordinated) meeting about biochar on the Friday (24 January this year)
> before ETHOS starts.
>
> After some few comments from others via email, I have made the following
> arrangements for the Biochar Friday group:
>
> 1. The Biochar Friday group is to have its first gathering on 24 January
> 2020.
>
> 2. The meeting room of the Kirkland Inn (connected to the breakfast room)
> has been reserved for the morning of 24 January. ETHOS controls that
> meeting room from noon onward. (There is no option to meet at Shari's
> restaurant.)
>
> 3. We will gather at 8:00 AM, with an on-time official start at 9:00 AM.
> Tom Miles has offered to provide a summary of the status of international
> (and USA/North America) biochar activities (not just about the
> organizations called "Biochar Initiatives.") How much time he has will be
> determined after others have had a chance to make proposals for the use of
> the time. One additional topic could be the role of PyCC (Pyrolytic
> Carbon Capture) to assist the battle against climate change. Perhaps
> there will be some panel discussions, depending on who attends. It will
> NOT be with academic presentations. The focus is NOT on the agricultural
> / soil / micro-fauna / etc. aspects of biochar, but such can be mentioned.
>
> 4. We will ask ETHOS leadership if we can extend our time past noon, up
> to the time when ETHOS will have its use of the room (usually starting at
> 1:00 or 1:30 PM).
>
> 5. Because the Woodgas TLUD stoves are makers of charcoal / biochar, they
> could be featured in the afternoon time reserved for ETHOS, but that is up
> for discussion.
>
> 6. Upon expiration of any time for Biochar topics in the room, the
> Biochar Friday group is at liberty to move to another location (not
> defined). If the group is small, that will be easy. If numerous, we can
> be creative with specialty groups or focus groups.
>
> ***************
> So, the Biochar Friday event is now official. It is open to everyone.
> You can make your travel arrangements to allow your presence at the event.
> Remember to register for the ETHOS meeting (at www.ethoscon.com<
> http://www.ethoscon.com> , and to reserve your room at the Baymont Inn
> at Seattle/Kirkland: 425-947-1030 (and say that you are with ETHOS.)
>
> There is no charge for Biochar Friday but donations to cover the room
> rental (AM only) will be accepted at the event (unless we find a sponsor).
>
> This announcement is going to three (3) Listservs but could be forward to
> others by you: Biochar group, Stoves Listserv, tluds Listserv. And
> ETHOS could send it to its mailing list. Please reply to your respective
> listservs, but know that not everyone will see your replies. Especially
> if you expect to attend the Biochar Friday, be sure that I receive
> notification ( psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> ).
>
> I (we) are looking for some volunteers, but not sure what duties there are
> to be undertaken.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com<
> http://www.drtlud.com>
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> Skype:
> paultlud
> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
> Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
> Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org<http://www.JuntosNFP.org> to support
> woodgas (TLUD) projects
> incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
> and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
> Author of "A Capitalist Carol" (free digital copies at
> www.capitalism21.org<http://www.capitalism21.org>)
> with pages 88 - 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
> cookstoves.
>
> __._,_.___
> ________________________________
> Posted by: "Anderson, Paul" <psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu
> >>
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